[Evangelism] PyCon Japan 2012 and Plone

[Shigeo Honda]

Hi Guys,

I'm Shigeo Honda, Plone Users Group Japan. Will you give us some advice?

PyCon Japan 2012 will be held on September 15 -16 in Tokyo. PyCon
Japan organizers asked a couple of python related users group, such
as Django, SciPy, Pyramid, Plone etc, to have some sessions in the
event. And they request proposals.

I worry about PyCon is 'die-hard' python developer event and not
suitable for Plone. So, I'd like to know how Plone community work
with PyCon in other countries. What kind of session is good for PyCon
attendees? Please let me know your experience in PyCon.

I appreciate any advice and comments.

Thank you,

[Érico Andrei]

Hello,

As the previous organizer of PythonBrasil (Brazil's Pycon) I have some
insights to share :-)

First, Plone is not the newest shinny thing so people tend to overlook
it or even ignore it when selecting talks. Right now it seems we are living
in a Django-centric world (when it comes to web apps) and it is hard to
fight it.

So, in order to have success in landing Plone talks in local PyCon's
I'd suggest you talk about what Plone can do without mentioning Plone in
talk's title (That's how I landed Plone talks on EuroPython, PyCon
Argentina and in previous editions of PythonBrasil). Success cases are
great but even better is to really show Plone in action -- a demo showing
Dexterity + FormGen + plone.app.workfloweditor is a sure way to get some
love from developers and their managers.

Best,
?rico Andrei
erico at simplesconsultoria.com.br
Simples Consultoria
www.simplesconsultoria.com.br
[phone]
[phone]

Post by Shigeo Honda
Hi Guys,
I'm Shigeo Honda, Plone Users Group Japan. Will you give us some advice?
PyCon Japan 2012 will be held on September 15 -16 in Tokyo. PyCon
Japan organizers asked a couple of python related users group, such
as Django, SciPy, Pyramid, Plone etc, to have some sessions in the
event. And they request proposals.
I worry about PyCon is 'die-hard' python developer event and not
suitable for Plone. So, I'd like to know how Plone community work
with PyCon in other countries. What kind of session is good for PyCon
attendees? Please let me know your experience in PyCon.
I appreciate any advice and comments.
Thank you,
--
:: Shigeo Honda
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[Dylan Jay]

Post by Shigeo Honda
Hi Guys,
I'm Shigeo Honda, Plone Users Group Japan. Will you give us some advice?
PyCon Japan 2012 will be held on September 15 -16 in Tokyo. PyCon
Japan organizers asked a couple of python related users group, such
as Django, SciPy, Pyramid, Plone etc, to have some sessions in the
event. And they request proposals.
I worry about PyCon is 'die-hard' python developer event and not
suitable for Plone. So, I'd like to know how Plone community work
with PyCon in other countries. What kind of session is good for PyCon
attendees? Please let me know your experience in PyCon.
I appreciate any advice and comments.

Not sure if it means anything but our company submitted 4 talks for
pyconau this year. The two plone related talks were the two rejected.
It got me to thinking about the plone communities relationship to the
python community.
I think open source is spread by fans, people not directly involved
with the software itself. Those fans exist in a much larger community
than plone itself. It makes me think that if the python community
aren't fans of Plone, then where are our fans?
Sorry it's a little negative and off topic.

Post by Shigeo Honda
Thank you,
--
:: Shigeo Honda
:: shigeo.honda at gmai.com
:: http://www.facebook/shigeoh
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[Matt Hamilton]

Post by Shigeo Honda
I worry about PyCon is 'die-hard' python developer event and not
suitable for Plone. So, I'd like to know how Plone community work
with PyCon in other countries. What kind of session is good for PyCon
attendees? Please let me know your experience in PyCon.
I appreciate any advice and comments.

Not sure if it means anything but our company submitted 4 talks for pyconau this year. The two plone related talks were the two rejected.
It got me to thinking about the plone communities relationship to the python community.
I think open source is spread by fans, people not directly involved with the software itself. Those fans exist in a much larger community than plone itself. It makes me think that if the python community aren't fans of Plone, then where are our fans?
Sorry it's a little negative and off topic.

Similar experiences with Europython the past few years. There were a load of Plone talks submitted this year, and the only ones accepted were the ones that did not mention Plone in the title.

As is already said, Plone in and of itself is not new and shiny. People naturally want the new and shiny things at conferences like this I think. But with regards to Python and Plone I think it is slightly deeper than that. I really don't know why, but it does seem that Plone still has a bit of a bad taste for 'die hard' python people.

One thing I did at a conference this weekend was to install Plone from scratch during a 5-minute lightning talk. I can do it in under 3 minutes. Basically running virtualenv, paster, buildout, bin/instance fg. The idea was to show to python people that Plone is *not* some difficult thing to get going with.

The question of whether trying to promote Plone at the PyCon-type events is worth the effort is a fundamental one. I go through phases of thinking its not worth the effort and we are banging our heads against brick walls? but then, I'm not sure how else we are going to get new developers into the community. We can work on the business level and aim at business conferences and do case study talks and the likes and hope that business decision makes choose Plone and drag developers along that way.

My only other idea is to stick to doing talks on specific bits of technology that are new and shiny and showcase them. Things like Diazo? then again, I submitted a Diazo talk to Europython and that was not accepted either :(

-Matt

NETSIGHT
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Technical Director
Email
matth at netsight.co.uk
Telephone
[phone]
Web
www.netsight.co.uk
Address
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[Dylan Jay]

Post by Matt Hamilton

Post by Dylan Jay

Post by Shigeo Honda
I worry about PyCon is 'die-hard' python developer event and not
suitable for Plone. So, I'd like to know how Plone community work
with PyCon in other countries. What kind of session is good for PyCon
attendees? Please let me know your experience in PyCon.
I appreciate any advice and comments.

Not sure if it means anything but our company submitted 4 talks for
pyconau this year. The two plone related talks were the two rejected.
It got me to thinking about the plone communities relationship to the python community.
I think open source is spread by fans, people not directly involved
with the software itself. Those fans exist in a much larger
community than plone itself. It makes me think that if the python
community aren't fans of Plone, then where are our fans?
Sorry it's a little negative and off topic.

Similar experiences with Europython the past few years. There were a
load of Plone talks submitted this year, and the only ones accepted
were the ones that did not mention Plone in the title.
As is already said, Plone in and of itself is not new and shiny.
People naturally want the new and shiny things at conferences like
this I think. But with regards to Python and Plone I think it is
slightly deeper than that. I really don't know why, but it does seem
that Plone still has a bit of a bad taste for 'die hard' python
people.
One thing I did at a conference this weekend was to install Plone
from scratch during a 5-minute lightning talk. I can do it in under
3 minutes. Basically running virtualenv, paster, buildout, bin/
instance fg. The idea was to show to python people that Plone is
*not* some difficult thing to get going with.

for the record the talk I did submit didn't mention plone. It was
called something like "zero to website hero in 30min" and was going to
a complete themed site from start to end in 30min talk slot. Now I'm
just going to have to do the same thing in a 5min lightning talk slot :)

Post by Matt Hamilton
The question of whether trying to promote Plone at the PyCon-type
events is worth the effort is a fundamental one. I go through phases
of thinking its not worth the effort and we are banging our heads
against brick walls? but then, I'm not sure how else we are going to
get new developers into the community. We can work on the business
level and aim at business conferences and do case study talks and
the likes and hope that business decision makes choose Plone and
drag developers along that way.

We need developers but they don't have to be die hard python devs.
Python devs like making frameworks not themes :) Maybe we should be
speaking at php conferences :)

Post by Matt Hamilton
My only other idea is to stick to doing talks on specific bits of
technology that are new and shiny and showcase them. Things like
Diazo? then again, I submitted a Diazo talk to Europython and that
was not accepted either :(
-Matt

Post by Dylan Jay
NETSIGHT
Matt Hamilton
Technical Director
Email
matth at netsight.co.uk
Telephone
[phone]
Web
www.netsight.co.uk
Address
40 Berkeley Square, Clifton
Bristol BS8 1HU

[Matt Hamilton]

Post by Matt Hamilton
One thing I did at a conference this weekend was to install Plone from scratch during a 5-minute lightning talk. I can do it in under 3 minutes. Basically running virtualenv, paster, buildout, bin/instance fg. The idea was to show to python people that Plone is *not* some difficult thing to get going with.

for the record the talk I did submit didn't mention plone. It was called something like "zero to website hero in 30min" and was going to a complete themed site from start to end in 30min talk slot. Now I'm just going to have to do the same thing in a 5min lightning talk slot :)

Damn? sounds like would be a great talk. Shame it wasn't accepted. That's going to be a fun lightning talk ;)

Post by Matt Hamilton
The question of whether trying to promote Plone at the PyCon-type events is worth the effort is a fundamental one. I go through phases of thinking its not worth the effort and we are banging our heads against brick walls? but then, I'm not sure how else we are going to get new developers into the community. We can work on the business level and aim at business conferences and do case study talks and the likes and hope that business decision makes choose Plone and drag developers along that way.

We need developers but they don't have to be die hard python devs. Python devs like making frameworks not themes :) Maybe we should be speaking at php conferences :)

No, exactly. That is kind of why I sometimes think that Europython/PyCon is not the place we need to be promoting Plone. The problem being I don't know *where* we should be promoting it in terms of attracting new developers.

Also, as a community we have plenty of our own events. If I was a Plone developer and could only afford to go to one conference then it will be a Plone one, not a general python one. Or put another way, as an employer of Plone developers I can see much more value sending people to Plone conferences than Python conferences. Hence often Plone is not that well represented proportionally at PyCon-type events as they are too busy at their own events.

I speak at least once a year a the local university and promote Plone there? especially the community. Showing them photos of all the events worldwide and telling some of the stories of meeting people and what they are up to in the Plone world is great. I would love to be able to try and push that further and try and get more people doing at more universities etc.

-Matt

NETSIGHT
Matt Hamilton
Technical Director
Email
matth at netsight.co.uk
Telephone
[phone]
Web
www.netsight.co.uk
Address
40 Berkeley Square, Clifton
Bristol BS8 1HU

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[Ken Wasetis [Contextual Corp.]]

Post by Dylan Jay

Post by Matt Hamilton
One thing I did at a conference this weekend was to install Plone
from scratch during a 5-minute lightning talk. I can do it in under
3 minutes. Basically running virtualenv, paster, buildout,
bin/instance fg. The idea was to show to python people that Plone is
*not* some difficult thing to get going with.

for the record the talk I did submit didn't mention plone. It was
called something like "zero to website hero in 30min" and was going
to a complete themed site from start to end in 30min talk slot. Now
I'm just going to have to do the same thing in a 5min lightning talk
slot :)

Damn... sounds like would be a great talk. Shame it wasn't accepted.
That's going to be a fun lightning talk ;)

Post by Dylan Jay

Post by Matt Hamilton
The question of whether trying to promote Plone at the PyCon-type
events is worth the effort is a fundamental one. I go through phases
of thinking its not worth the effort and we are banging our heads
against brick walls... but then, I'm not sure how else we are going
to get new developers into the community. We can work on the
business level and aim at business conferences and do case study
talks and the likes and hope that business decision makes choose
Plone and drag developers along that way.

We need developers but they don't have to be die hard python devs.
Python devs like making frameworks not themes :) Maybe we should be
speaking at php conferences :)

+1 and that's a big reason I like going to a CMS Expo in our area that
is more concentrated on Drupal/Joomla and other PHP-based tools, but I
have one other idea that I think could create a few more converts more
quickly... Target the theme developers who currently crank out themes
for Wordpress/Drupal/Joomla. They can get a few more miles out of
selling their themes, if they just learn how to roll the theme using
Diazo. The themes are already designed with 'includes' and 'portlet
treatments' and are normally pretty good semantically and would work
well with Plone.

I'm in the process of leveraging a Wordpress theme for a redesign of our
company site and afterwards plan to contact the theme developer to pique
her interest, hopefully, in doing the same. Many sites, such as
ThemeForest.com allow you to download the theme you've purchased for WP,
Drupal, or Joomla. Would be great if the theme devs start asking
ThemeForest and others to 'please carry our Plone theme' and make it
available for download as well. I know this gets into the whole
commercial vs. OSS issue for our themes, but I believe the specifics of
how to package Diazo-based themes has been hammered out and so long as
the theme doesn't ship with extended portlets, viewlets, etc. that are
already shipped with Plone, this decoupling is fine for having them sell
their theme commercially (would need to look into those details of what
was ironed out, again, of course.)

If we get 2 or 3 such theme developers on one themes site willing to
migrate their themes for Diazo/Plone and then push to get them carried
on a theme site such as ThemeForest, then hopefully other theme devs
will follow suit, if they see/find there is a market (of course, they
won't, if nobody buys the themes, since this is a commercial effort.)

But I do think the proliferation of Wordpress/Joomla/Drupal (in the
U.S., anyhow) is greatly due to the great market there is for theme
developers to freelance and make a living building themes for them.
Many of them were probably HTML/CSS/graphics folks who didn't
necessarily care to become PHP developers and probably will resist
having to learn XSLT/Diazo a bit, but if the market is there for them to
make a living on it, they will.

No, exactly. That is kind of why I sometimes think that
Europython/PyCon is not the place we need to be promoting Plone. The
problem being I don't know *where* we should be promoting it in terms
of attracting new developers.
Also, as a community we have plenty of our own events. If I was a
Plone developer and could only afford to go to one conference then it
will be a Plone one, not a general python one. Or put another way, as
an employer of Plone developers I can see much more value sending
people to Plone conferences than Python conferences. Hence often Plone
is not that well represented proportionally at PyCon-type events as
they are too busy at their own events.
I speak at least once a year a the local university and promote Plone
there... especially the community. Showing them photos of all the
events worldwide and telling some of the stories of meeting people and
what they are up to in the Plone world is great. I would love to be
able to try and push that further and try and get more people doing at
more universities etc.

*+1* on reaching out to local colleges and universities. A couple years
back, we had a client willing to share in some of the management
activities of a project, explaining requirements to students, explaining
the kind of documentation they needed as leave-behind deliverables,
checking their work, and only pulling our team in for initial training
on how to develop content types, customize workflow, customize the theme
and how to package it all up as add-on products.

Turned out to be about the same amount of work as if we had just done
all the work, but it was good to get others (still in college) exposed
to Plone. These people go out into the workforce and perhaps then their
projects call for features that their current CMS of choice cant handle,
they'll remember this tool called Plone that was easy to get things
working in and that shipped with great workflow and permissions
management built-in.

We also gained a team member for a year from this project (who we lost
once he decided to go to law school, unfortunately, but you get the idea.)

-Matt

Post by Dylan Jay
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Matt Hamilton
Technical Director
Email
matth at netsight.co.uk <mailto:iain at netsight.co.uk>
Telephone
[phone]
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Address
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[Maurizio Delmonte]

Post by Dylan Jay
Not sure if it means anything but our company submitted 4 talks for
pyconau this year. The two plone related talks were the two rejected.
It got me to thinking about the plone communities relationship to the python community.
I think open source is spread by fans, people not directly involved with
the software itself. Those fans exist in a much larger community than plone
itself. It makes me think that if the python community aren't fans of
Plone, then where are our fans?
Sorry it's a little negative and off topic.
Similar experiences with Europython the past few years. There were a load
of Plone talks submitted this year, and the only ones accepted were the
ones that did not mention Plone in the title.

actually, I have two talks in Europython this year: one mentions both Plone
and Django in the title, the other just declares "professional content
management with Python in 2012"..

both the talks are in italian, so good chance are there that they were
short in proposals ;)

Nonetheless, Django itself this year had a very low profile presence at
Europython (try to search for it here
https://ep2012.europython.eu/p3/schedule/ep2012/ and you'll see just 3
talks on Django, then two more, one very tech unrelated and the other from
me..)

I believe we need to be present at PyCons as much as we can, to make people
aware that Plone is well alive and that plone could serve them well
(finally we are made out of Python, aren't we?).

I also believe that Matt & c. are right in saying that we should try to
attract devs using other channels, universities being a good alternative to
me.
Let's inspire more people to do this!

Maurizio
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[Armin Stroß-Radschinski]

Google Summer of Code supporting Plone may was a good recognition in
the upcoming professionals area. Timo Stollenwerk and Franco
Pellegrini are excellent examples what kind of success good newcomer
support can bring up! We need such successful people talk more about
their involvement.

Cab we create a well donated developer contest attracting new guys by
special topics and attractive winner prizes? Of course! Then the
celebration of the handing over should be a remarkable media event (at
least look like!)

To design and deliver a remarkable award trophy that makes up good
photos and heavy weight on the desk should be no problem (for me ;-)
waving! We were running pupil contests with around 5000 participants
each time for nearly 10 years. The setup is in the drawer!

Armin

On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 3:59 PM, Matt Hamilton

Post by Dylan Jay
Not sure if it means anything but our company submitted 4 talks for
pyconau this year. The two plone related talks were the two rejected.
It got me to thinking about the plone communities relationship to the python community.
I think open source is spread by fans, people not directly involved
with the software itself. Those fans exist in a much larger
community than plone itself. It makes me think that if the python
community aren't fans of Plone, then where are our fans?
Sorry it's a little negative and off topic.

Similar experiences with Europython the past few years. There were a
load of Plone talks submitted this year, and the only ones accepted
were the ones that did not mention Plone in the title.
actually, I have two talks in Europython this year: one mentions
both Plone and Django in the title, the other just declares
"professional content management with Python in 2012"..
both the talks are in italian, so good chance are there that they
were short in proposals ;)
Nonetheless, Django itself this year had a very low profile presence
at Europython (try to search for it here https://ep2012.europython.eu/p3/schedule/ep2012/
and you'll see just 3 talks on Django, then two more, one very tech
unrelated and the other from me..)
I believe we need to be present at PyCons as much as we can, to make
people aware that Plone is well alive and that plone could serve
them well (finally we are made out of Python, aren't we?).
I also believe that Matt & c. are right in saying that we should try
to attract devs using other channels, universities being a good
alternative to me.
Let's inspire more people to do this!
Maurizio
--
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Abstract Open Solutions [http://www.abstract.it] - Tel: [phone]
Join me at EuroPython [http://goo.gl/mmV25]
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[Ken Wasetis [Contextual Corp.]]

+1 Sounds like a great idea! Maybe approach the marketing committee
and/or Board?

Post by Armin Stroß-Radschinski
Google Summer of Code supporting Plone may was a good recognition in
the upcoming professionals area. Timo Stollenwerk and Franco
Pellegrini are excellent examples what kind of success good newcomer
support can bring up! We need such successful people talk more about
their involvement.
Cab we create a well donated developer contest attracting new guys by
special topics and attractive winner prizes? Of course! Then the
celebration of the handing over should be a remarkable media event (at
least look like!)
To design and deliver a remarkable award trophy that makes up good
photos and heavy weight on the desk should be no problem (for me ;-)
waving! We were running pupil contests with around 5000 participants
each time for nearly 10 years. The setup is in the drawer!
Armin

Post by Matt Hamilton

Post by Dylan Jay
Not sure if it means anything but our company submitted 4 talks for
pyconau this year. The two plone related talks were the two rejected.
It got me to thinking about the plone communities relationship to the python community.
I think open source is spread by fans, people not directly involved
with the software itself. Those fans exist in a much larger
community than plone itself. It makes me think that if the python
community aren't fans of Plone, then where are our fans?
Sorry it's a little negative and off topic.

Similar experiences with Europython the past few years. There were a
load of Plone talks submitted this year, and the only ones accepted
were the ones that did not mention Plone in the title.
actually, I have two talks in Europython this year: one mentions both
Plone and Django in the title, the other just declares "professional
content management with Python in 2012"..
both the talks are in italian, so good chance are there that they
were short in proposals ;)
Nonetheless, Django itself this year had a very low profile presence
at Europython (try to search for it here
https://ep2012.europython.eu/p3/schedule/ep2012/ and you'll see just
3 talks on Django, then two more, one very tech unrelated and the
other from me..)
I believe we need to be present at PyCons as much as we can, to make
people aware that Plone is well alive and that plone could serve them
well (finally we are made out of Python, aren't we?).
I also believe that Matt & c. are right in saying that we should try
to attract devs using other channels, universities being a good
alternative to me.
Let's inspire more people to do this!
Maurizio
--
Maurizio Delmonte - [maurizio.delmonte at abstract.it]
Abstract Open Solutions [http://www.abstract.it] - Tel: [phone]
Join me at EuroPython [http://goo.gl/mmV25]
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--
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acsr industrialdesign, Landgrafenstra?e 32, 53842 Troisdorf, Germany
Telefon [phone] / 94 69 94, FAX [phone] / 94 69 96
eMail a.stross-radschinski at acsr.de - http://www.acsr.de
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[Gabrielle Hendryx-Parker]

Could it also be that Plone has been marketed as "Plone v1, v2, v3, v4" for 10 years and that has very little appeal?

As a marketing-driven company, Apple understood this phenomenon very well and, instead, rolled out "Tiger", "Leopard", "Snow Leopard", "Lion"... unveiling each version as a totally new product. This allowed them to leverage totally different marketing campaigns and keep the public interested.

Can we orchestrate a grand new product launch for Plone 5 under a different marketing name (but keep the Plone name as the umbrella brand)?

Gabrielle
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+1 Sounds like a great idea! Maybe approach the marketing committee and/or Board?

Google Summer of Code supporting Plone may was a good recognition in the upcoming professionals area. Timo Stollenwerk and Franco Pellegrini are excellent examples what kind of success good newcomer support can bring up! We need such successful people talk more about their involvement.
Cab we create a well donated developer contest attracting new guys by special topics and attractive winner prizes? Of course! Then the celebration of the handing over should be a remarkable media event (at least look like!)
To design and deliver a remarkable award trophy that makes up good photos and heavy weight on the desk should be no problem (for me ;-) waving! We were running pupil contests with around 5000 participants each time for nearly 10 years. The setup is in the drawer!
Armin

Post by Matt Hamilton

Not sure if it means anything but our company submitted 4 talks for pyconau this year. The two plone related talks were the two rejected.
It got me to thinking about the plone communities relationship to the python community.
I think open source is spread by fans, people not directly involved with the software itself. Those fans exist in a much larger community than plone itself. It makes me think that if the python community aren't fans of Plone, then where are our fans?
Sorry it's a little negative and off topic.

Similar experiences with Europython the past few years. There were a load of Plone talks submitted this year, and the only ones accepted were the ones that did not mention Plone in the title.
actually, I have two talks in Europython this year: one mentions both Plone and Django in the title, the other just declares "professional content management with Python in 2012"..
both the talks are in italian, so good chance are there that they were short in proposals ;)
Nonetheless, Django itself this year had a very low profile presence at Europython (try to search for it here https://ep2012.europython.eu/p3/schedule/ep2012/ and you'll see just 3 talks on Django, then two more, one very tech unrelated and the other from me..)
I believe we need to be present at PyCons as much as we can, to make people aware that Plone is well alive and that plone could serve them well (finally we are made out of Python, aren't we?).
I also believe that Matt & c. are right in saying that we should try to attract devs using other channels, universities being a good alternative to me.
Let's inspire more people to do this!
Maurizio
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[Ken Wasetis [Contextual Corp.]]

+1

Maybe Mark Corum can post the link to his beer-branded release names
PLIP (originally, an April Fool's joke) ? I think it was gathering
steam as a real PLIP last I looked.

I vote for Plone 5 - Barnstormer
(http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/5049/13084/?ba=hunteraw ), which
was my favorite ale at the Bristol Plone conf. :)

We'd have to also be sure to not have conflicting numbers included in
release names. As I recall from my Java days, it was a real mess
explaining that JDK 2 actually included Java 1.2 or some such mess.

-Ken

Post by Gabrielle Hendryx-Parker
Could it also be that Plone has been marketed as "Plone v1, v2, v3,
v4" for 10 years and that has very little appeal?
As a marketing-driven company, Apple understood this phenomenon very
well and, instead, rolled out "Tiger", "Leopard", "Snow Leopard",
"Lion"... unveiling each version as a totally new product. This
allowed them to leverage totally different marketing campaigns and
keep the public interested.
Can we orchestrate a grand new product launch for Plone 5 under a
different marketing name (but keep the Plone name as the umbrella brand)?
Gabrielle
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+1 Sounds like a great idea! Maybe approach the marketing committee and/or Board?

Post by Armin Stroß-Radschinski
Google Summer of Code supporting Plone may was a good recognition in
the upcoming professionals area. Timo Stollenwerk and Franco
Pellegrini are excellent examples what kind of success good newcomer
support can bring up! We need such successful people talk more about
their involvement.
Cab we create a well donated developer contest attracting new guys
by special topics and attractive winner prizes? Of course! Then the
celebration of the handing over should be a remarkable media event
(at least look like!)
To design and deliver a remarkable award trophy that makes up good
photos and heavy weight on the desk should be no problem (for me ;-)
waving! We were running pupil contests with around 5000 participants
each time for nearly 10 years. The setup is in the drawer!
Armin

On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 3:59 PM, Matt Hamilton

Post by Dylan Jay
Not sure if it means anything but our company submitted 4 talks
for pyconau this year. The two plone related talks were the two
rejected.
It got me to thinking about the plone communities relationship to
the python community.
I think open source is spread by fans, people not directly
involved with the software itself. Those fans exist in a much
larger community than plone itself. It makes me think that if the
python community aren't fans of Plone, then where are our fans?
Sorry it's a little negative and off topic.

Similar experiences with Europython the past few years. There were
a load of Plone talks submitted this year, and the only ones
accepted were the ones that did not mention Plone in the title.
actually, I have two talks in Europython this year: one mentions
both Plone and Django in the title, the other just declares
"professional content management with Python in 2012"..
both the talks are in italian, so good chance are there that they
were short in proposals ;)
Nonetheless, Django itself this year had a very low profile
presence at Europython (try to search for it here
https://ep2012.europython.eu/p3/schedule/ep2012/ and you'll see
just 3 talks on Django, then two more, one very tech unrelated and
the other from me..)
I believe we need to be present at PyCons as much as we can, to
make people aware that Plone is well alive and that plone could
serve them well (finally we are made out of Python, aren't we?).
I also believe that Matt & c. are right in saying that we should
try to attract devs using other channels, universities being a good
alternative to me.
Let's inspire more people to do this!
Maurizio
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[Dylan Jay]

Post by Ken Wasetis [Contextual Corp.]
+1
Maybe Mark Corum can post the link to his beer-branded release names
PLIP (originally, an April Fool's joke) ? I think it was gathering
steam as a real PLIP last I looked.
I vote for Plone 5 - Barnstormer (http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/5049/13084/?ba=hunteraw
), which was my favorite ale at the Bristol Plone conf. :)
We'd have to also be sure to not have conflicting numbers included
in release names. As I recall from my Java days, it was a real mess
explaining that JDK 2 actually included Java 1.2 or some such mess.

+10 for named major releases. However I think beer names has with
copyright?

In terms of attracting developers I think this is a fantastic idea. I
have a theory that popularity of frameworks can be attributed at least
20% to it's name. Sounds crazy but consider this: no matter how cool a
technology each one of us is going to feel some reluctance
recommending it to a friend over beer if the name is boring or worse,
embarrassing. Ruby on Rails, Flask, Bottle... all cool names. Zope,
Ice cream sandwich... not so much :)
This is our opportunity to modernise and make Plone part of a name
which is cool.

Plone 5 is also a game changer. Diazo and Deco is going to change
Plone into one the best through the web site creation tools around I
believe. Maybe Plone 4.3 could be Plone Diazo because of the theming
editor, and Plone 5 be Plone Deco?

Post by Ken Wasetis [Contextual Corp.]
-Ken

Post by Gabrielle Hendryx-Parker
Could it also be that Plone has been marketed as "Plone v1, v2, v3,
v4" for 10 years and that has very little appeal?
As a marketing-driven company, Apple understood this phenomenon
very well and, instead, rolled out "Tiger", "Leopard", "Snow
Leopard", "Lion"... unveiling each version as a totally new
product. This allowed them to leverage totally different marketing
campaigns and keep the public interested.
Can we orchestrate a grand new product launch for Plone 5 under a
different marketing name (but keep the Plone name as the umbrella brand)?
Gabrielle
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Email: gabrielle at sixfeetup.com
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Post by Ken Wasetis [Contextual Corp.]
+1 Sounds like a great idea! Maybe approach the marketing
committee and/or Board?

Post by Armin Stroß-Radschinski
Google Summer of Code supporting Plone may was a good recognition
in the upcoming professionals area. Timo Stollenwerk and Franco
Pellegrini are excellent examples what kind of success good
newcomer support can bring up! We need such successful people
talk more about their involvement.
Cab we create a well donated developer contest attracting new
guys by special topics and attractive winner prizes? Of course!
Then the celebration of the handing over should be a remarkable
media event (at least look like!)
To design and deliver a remarkable award trophy that makes up
good photos and heavy weight on the desk should be no problem
(for me ;-) waving! We were running pupil contests with around
5000 participants each time for nearly 10 years. The setup is in
the drawer!
Armin

Post by Dylan Jay
On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 3:59 PM, Matt Hamilton <matth at netsight.co.uk

Post by Dylan Jay
Not sure if it means anything but our company submitted 4 talks
for pyconau this year. The two plone related talks were the two
rejected.
It got me to thinking about the plone communities relationship
to the python community.
I think open source is spread by fans, people not directly
involved with the software itself. Those fans exist in a much
larger community than plone itself. It makes me think that if
the python community aren't fans of Plone, then where are our
fans?
Sorry it's a little negative and off topic.

Similar experiences with Europython the past few years. There
were a load of Plone talks submitted this year, and the only
ones accepted were the ones that did not mention Plone in the
title.
actually, I have two talks in Europython this year: one mentions
both Plone and Django in the title, the other just declares
"professional content management with Python in 2012"..
both the talks are in italian, so good chance are there that
they were short in proposals ;)
Nonetheless, Django itself this year had a very low profile
presence at Europython (try to search for it here https://ep2012.europython.eu/p3/schedule/ep2012/
and you'll see just 3 talks on Django, then two more, one very
tech unrelated and the other from me..)
I believe we need to be present at PyCons as much as we can, to
make people aware that Plone is well alive and that plone could
serve them well (finally we are made out of Python, aren't we?).
I also believe that Matt & c. are right in saying that we should
try to attract devs using other channels, universities being a
good alternative to me.
Let's inspire more people to do this!
Maurizio
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[Armin Stroß-Radschinski]

The value of a "release name buzz " is something I absolutely agree
with! (except beer or wine, which is not compatible with every culture
of having fun or not ;-) That should not be a joke!

Thanks Gabrielle for bringing this up again!

Von: Armin Stro?-Radschinski <developer at acsr.de>
Datum: 29. April 2011 11:54:53 MESZ

...

So I make a suggestion to rename future minor releases after
Galaxies. To boldly go...

read more there...

"running gag" concepts for campaign sequels are the solution that
burn=>brand values into brains.
If we use a continuing metaphor it may save a lot of headaches in the
creative department!

Here the arguments for galaxies from a proposal not shared wider until

Release Tamtam across the universe
====================================
We should have a regular naming schema for Plone releases like Apple
and Ubuntu together with the new release schedule. I already have
published this goal on the list and provided an idea by using the
official names of Galaxies ? Going far beyond than any other CMS ;-)
There are some reasons behind. One big benefit is that those names
are usually trademark free, even if this needs some basic checking.
And ? the availability of free images by the NASA (allof them are
free and public domain!).

We should make Plone is so cool you would like to have a tattoo of it
and be sure to have a chance being proud of it when you retire!

+1
Maybe Mark Corum can post the link to his beer-branded release names
PLIP (originally, an April Fool's joke) ? I think it was gathering
steam as a real PLIP last I looked.
I vote for Plone 5 - Barnstormer (http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/5049/13084/?ba=hunteraw
), which was my favorite ale at the Bristol Plone conf. :)
We'd have to also be sure to not have conflicting numbers included
in release names. As I recall from my Java days, it was a real mess
explaining that JDK 2 actually included Java 1.2 or some such mess.
-Ken

Post by Gabrielle Hendryx-Parker
Could it also be that Plone has been marketed as "Plone v1, v2, v3,
v4" for 10 years and that has very little appeal?
As a marketing-driven company, Apple understood this phenomenon
very well and, instead, rolled out "Tiger", "Leopard", "Snow
Leopard", "Lion"... unveiling each version as a totally new
product. This allowed them to leverage totally different marketing
campaigns and keep the public interested.
Can we orchestrate a grand new product launch for Plone 5 under a
different marketing name (but keep the Plone name as the umbrella brand)?
Gabrielle
--
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Post by Ken Wasetis [Contextual Corp.]
+1 Sounds like a great idea! Maybe approach the marketing
committee and/or Board?

Post by Armin Stroß-Radschinski
Google Summer of Code supporting Plone may was a good recognition
in the upcoming professionals area. Timo Stollenwerk and Franco
Pellegrini are excellent examples what kind of success good
newcomer support can bring up! We need such successful people
talk more about their involvement.
Cab we create a well donated developer contest attracting new
guys by special topics and attractive winner prizes? Of course!
Then the celebration of the handing over should be a remarkable
media event (at least look like!)
To design and deliver a remarkable award trophy that makes up
good photos and heavy weight on the desk should be no problem
(for me ;-) waving! We were running pupil contests with around
5000 participants each time for nearly 10 years. The setup is in
the drawer!
Armin

Post by Dylan Jay
On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 3:59 PM, Matt Hamilton <matth at netsight.co.uk

Post by Dylan Jay
Not sure if it means anything but our company submitted 4 talks
for pyconau this year. The two plone related talks were the two
rejected.
It got me to thinking about the plone communities relationship
to the python community.
I think open source is spread by fans, people not directly
involved with the software itself. Those fans exist in a much
larger community than plone itself. It makes me think that if
the python community aren't fans of Plone, then where are our
fans?
Sorry it's a little negative and off topic.

Similar experiences with Europython the past few years. There
were a load of Plone talks submitted this year, and the only
ones accepted were the ones that did not mention Plone in the
title.
actually, I have two talks in Europython this year: one mentions
both Plone and Django in the title, the other just declares
"professional content management with Python in 2012"..
both the talks are in italian, so good chance are there that
they were short in proposals ;)
Nonetheless, Django itself this year had a very low profile
presence at Europython (try to search for it here https://ep2012.europython.eu/p3/schedule/ep2012/
and you'll see just 3 talks on Django, then two more, one very
tech unrelated and the other from me..)
I believe we need to be present at PyCons as much as we can, to
make people aware that Plone is well alive and that plone could
serve them well (finally we are made out of Python, aren't we?).
I also believe that Matt & c. are right in saying that we should
try to attract devs using other channels, universities being a
good alternative to me.
Let's inspire more people to do this!
Maurizio
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[Shigeo Honda]

Hi

Thanks everybody. I'm surprised to read a lot of thoughtful input.
I'm confident the power of Plone community.

I've also realized that marketing and promoting Plone is common,
global agenda we can share and should tackle with.

Thank you.

[Dylan Jay]

On 23/05/2012, at 7:23 AM, "Ken Wasetis [Contextual Corp.]" <
ken.wasetis at contextualcorp.com> wrote:

+1

Maybe Mark Corum can post the link to his beer-branded release names PLIP
(originally, an April Fool's joke) ? I think it was gathering steam as a
real PLIP last I looked.

I vote for Plone 5 - Barnstormer (
http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/5049/13084/?ba=hunteraw ), which was
my favorite ale at the Bristol Plone conf. :)

We'd have to also be sure to not have conflicting numbers included in
release names. As I recall from my Java days, it was a real mess
explaining that JDK 2 actually included Java 1.2 or some such mess.


Pity cause the logical name would be "plone 3D" :)



-Ken


On 5/22/12 4:06 PM, Gabrielle Hendryx-Parker wrote:

Could it also be that Plone has been marketed as "Plone v1, v2, v3, v4" for
10 years and that has very little appeal?

As a marketing-driven company, Apple understood this phenomenon very well
and, instead, rolled out "Tiger", "Leopard", "Snow Leopard", "Lion"...
unveiling each version as a totally new product. This allowed them to
leverage totally different marketing campaigns and keep the public
interested.

Can we orchestrate a grand new product launch for Plone 5 under a
different marketing name (but keep the Plone name as the umbrella brand)?

Gabrielle
--
Six Feet Up, Inc. | Where sophisticated web projects thrive
Direct Line: [phone] x601
Email: gabrielle at sixfeetup.com
Try Plone 4 Today at: http://plone4demo.com

On May 22, 2012, at 4:29 PM, Ken Wasetis [Contextual Corp.] wrote:

+1 Sounds like a great idea! Maybe approach the marketing committee
and/or Board?

On 5/22/12 2:03 PM, Armin Stro?-Radschinski wrote:

Google Summer of Code supporting Plone may was a good recognition in the
upcoming professionals area. Timo Stollenwerk and Franco Pellegrini are
excellent examples what kind of success good newcomer support can bring up!
We need such successful people talk more about their involvement.


Cab we create a well donated developer contest attracting new guys by
special topics and attractive winner prizes? Of course! Then the
celebration of the handing over should be a remarkable media event (at
least look like!)


To design and deliver a remarkable award trophy that makes up good photos
and heavy weight on the desk should be no problem (for me ;-) waving! We
were running pupil contests with around 5000 participants each time for
nearly 10 years. The setup is in the drawer!


Armin



Am 22.05.2012 um 19:23 schrieb Maurizio Delmonte:



On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 3:59 PM, Matt Hamilton <matth at netsight.co.uk>
wrote:


Not sure if it means anything but our company submitted 4 talks for
pyconau this year. The two plone related talks were the two rejected.

It got me to thinking about the plone communities relationship to the
python community.

I think open source is spread by fans, people not directly involved with
the software itself. Those fans exist in a much larger community than plone
itself. It makes me think that if the python community aren't fans of
Plone, then where are our fans?

Sorry it's a little negative and off topic.


Similar experiences with Europython the past few years. There were a load
of Plone talks submitted this year, and the only ones accepted were the
ones that did not mention Plone in the title.


actually, I have two talks in Europython this year: one mentions both
Plone and Django in the title, the other just declares "professional
content management with Python in 2012"..


both the talks are in italian, so good chance are there that they were
short in proposals ;)


Nonetheless, Django itself this year had a very low profile presence at
Europython (try to search for it here
https://ep2012.europython.eu/p3/schedule/ep2012/ and you'll see just 3
talks on Django, then two more, one very tech unrelated and the other from
me..)


I believe we need to be present at PyCons as much as we can, to make
people aware that Plone is well alive and that plone could serve them well
(finally we are made out of Python, aren't we?).


I also believe that Matt & c. are right in saying that we should try to
attract devs using other channels, universities being a good alternative to
me.

Let's inspire more people to do this!


Maurizio


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[Mark A Corum]

I think the idea of a contest to drive new users to Plone is a good one.
But trophies? Not good. I work at a university and work with students
every week with campaigns. They see trophies as a joke - artifacts of old
time thinking with about as much attractiveness as an eight track or
cassette tape. Please don't date Plone as old and tired in this way.

When dealing with competitors to whom acceptance means jobs, money, etc -
this is just a bit weak. There are much better, more forward thinking ways
to recognize excellent work. We should do this - but in a BIG way with
some serious recognition.

Naming releases after beers is a non-starter because of copyrights. The
joke only works when you use actual beer names - and sadly that is a
copyright licensing issue. While I'm glad this April Fool's joke has taken
on a life of its own, beer naming works for developer culture - and doesn't
work for corporate, education or many foreign cultures which attach
negative connotations to alcohol. Armin is right on that one. Alienating
potential users is not a good idea,and really doesn't profit us in a
significant way.

Likewise, galaxies lack personality and individuality. Few people can name
a galaxy if you show them a picture of it - and why would Plone Andromeda
be thought of differently than Plone Large Magellanic Cloud or M-102.
Apple release names tie features and themes to big cat personalities - and
Ubuntu names are loaded with personality by pairing a descriptor with their
animals. Effective non-number releases need to be sensible and descriptive
to non-developers. And they need to be memorable and cross-cultural.

Mark


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On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 3:03 PM, Armin Stro?-Radschinski

Google Summer of Code supporting Plone may was a good recognition in the
upcoming professionals area. Timo Stollenwerk and Franco Pellegrini are
excellent examples what kind of success good newcomer support can bring up!
We need such successful people talk more about their involvement.
Cab we create a well donated developer contest attracting new guys by
special topics and attractive winner prizes? Of course! Then the
celebration of the handing over should be a remarkable media event (at
least look like!)
To design and deliver a remarkable award trophy that makes up good photos
and heavy weight on the desk should be no problem (for me ;-) waving! We
were running pupil contests with around 5000 participants each time for
nearly 10 years. The setup is in the drawer!
Armin

Post by Matt Hamilton

Post by Dylan Jay
Not sure if it means anything but our company submitted 4 talks for
pyconau this year. The two plone related talks were the two rejected.
It got me to thinking about the plone communities relationship to the python community.
I think open source is spread by fans, people not directly involved with
the software itself. Those fans exist in a much larger community than plone
itself. It makes me think that if the python community aren't fans of
Plone, then where are our fans?
Sorry it's a little negative and off topic.

Similar experiences with Europython the past few years. There were a load
of Plone talks submitted this year, and the only ones accepted were the
ones that did not mention Plone in the title.
actually, I have two talks in Europython this year: one mentions both
Plone and Django in the title, the other just declares "professional
content management with Python in 2012"..
both the talks are in italian, so good chance are there that they were
short in proposals ;)
Nonetheless, Django itself this year had a very low profile presence at
Europython (try to search for it here https://ep2012.europython.eu/**
p3/schedule/ep2012/ <https://ep2012.europython.eu/p3/schedule/ep2012/>and you'll see just 3 talks on Django, then two more, one very tech
unrelated and the other from me..)
I believe we need to be present at PyCons as much as we can, to make
people aware that Plone is well alive and that plone could serve them well
(finally we are made out of Python, aren't we?).
I also believe that Matt & c. are right in saying that we should try to
attract devs using other channels, universities being a good alternative to
me.
Let's inspire more people to do this!
Maurizio
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[Dylan Jay]

Post by Mark A Corum
I think the idea of a contest to drive new users to Plone is a good
one. But trophies? Not good. I work at a university and work with
students every week with campaigns. They see trophies as a joke -
artifacts of old time thinking with about as much attractiveness as
an eight track or cassette tape. Please don't date Plone as old and
tired in this way.
When dealing with competitors to whom acceptance means jobs, money,
etc - this is just a bit weak. There are much better, more forward
thinking ways to recognize excellent work. We should do this - but
in a BIG way with some serious recognition.
Naming releases after beers is a non-starter because of copyrights.
The joke only works when you use actual beer names - and sadly that
is a copyright licensing issue. While I'm glad this April Fool's
joke has taken on a life of its own, beer naming works for developer
culture - and doesn't work for corporate, education or many foreign
cultures which attach negative connotations to alcohol. Armin is
right on that one. Alienating potential users is not a good idea,and
really doesn't profit us in a significant way.
Likewise, galaxies lack personality and individuality. Few people
can name a galaxy if you show them a picture of it - and why would
Plone Andromeda be thought of differently than Plone Large
Magellanic Cloud or M-102. Apple release names tie features and
themes to big cat personalities - and Ubuntu names are loaded with
personality by pairing a descriptor with their animals. Effective
non-number releases need to be sensible and descriptive to non-
developers. And they need to be memorable and cross-cultural.

Since it's python we could use snake names. Plone cobra. Plone
Anaconda. Plone Boa etc (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_snakes_by_common_name
)
Previously there was a suggestion of famous beaches. That makes
international which is nice. Plone Brighton, Plone Bondi, Plone Del
Mar, Plone Ventura (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_beaches)
Alteration can sounds good so a theme of words starting with P?


Not sure if either of these suggestions are cool enough though.

Post by Mark A Corum
Mark
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On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 3:03 PM, Armin Stro?-Radschinski <developer at acsr.de
Google Summer of Code supporting Plone may was a good recognition in
the upcoming professionals area. Timo Stollenwerk and Franco
Pellegrini are excellent examples what kind of success good newcomer
support can bring up! We need such successful people talk more about
their involvement.
Cab we create a well donated developer contest attracting new guys
by special topics and attractive winner prizes? Of course! Then the
celebration of the handing over should be a remarkable media event
(at least look like!)
To design and deliver a remarkable award trophy that makes up good
photos and heavy weight on the desk should be no problem (for me ;-)
waving! We were running pupil contests with around 5000 participants
each time for nearly 10 years. The setup is in the drawer!
Armin
On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 3:59 PM, Matt Hamilton
Not sure if it means anything but our company submitted 4 talks for
pyconau this year. The two plone related talks were the two rejected.
It got me to thinking about the plone communities relationship to the python community.
I think open source is spread by fans, people not directly involved
with the software itself. Those fans exist in a much larger
community than plone itself. It makes me think that if the python
community aren't fans of Plone, then where are our fans?
Sorry it's a little negative and off topic.
Similar experiences with Europython the past few years. There were a
load of Plone talks submitted this year, and the only ones accepted
were the ones that did not mention Plone in the title.
actually, I have two talks in Europython this year: one mentions
both Plone and Django in the title, the other just declares
"professional content management with Python in 2012"..
both the talks are in italian, so good chance are there that they
were short in proposals ;)
Nonetheless, Django itself this year had a very low profile presence
at Europython (try to search for it here https://ep2012.europython.eu/p3/schedule/ep2012/
and you'll see just 3 talks on Django, then two more, one very tech
unrelated and the other from me..)
I believe we need to be present at PyCons as much as we can, to make
people aware that Plone is well alive and that plone could serve
them well (finally we are made out of Python, aren't we?).
I also believe that Matt & c. are right in saying that we should try
to attract devs using other channels, universities being a good
alternative to me.
Let's inspire more people to do this!
Maurizio
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[Matt Hamilton]

Since it's python we could use snake names. Plone cobra. Plone Anaconda. Plone Boa etc (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_snakes_by_common_name)

I really quite like that idea.

Previously there was a suggestion of famous beaches. That makes international which is nice. Plone Brighton, Plone Bondi, Plone Del Mar, Plone Ventura (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_beaches)
Alteration can sounds good so a theme of words starting with P?

Yeah, that is very good too and I like the international aspect of it. I think I like it even better than the snake one. We just need to watch out as Apple codenamed a laptop Pismo, which is a beach in California. I don't think they were on a beach theme though as the others in the series were Lombard (I presume the street in SF), and Wall Street.

We have to have a sprint / release party at each one of these beaches as we go along right? ;)

I've always thought the Ubuntu release names were a bit naff. Whilst I think they work great for developers I always feel a bit daft referring to Breezy Badger or Oneiric Ocelot in a business setting.

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[Dylan Jay]

Post by Matt Hamilton

Post by Dylan Jay
Since it's python we could use snake names. Plone cobra. Plone
Anaconda. Plone Boa etc (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_snakes_by_common_name
)

I really quite like that idea.

Post by Dylan Jay
Previously there was a suggestion of famous beaches. That makes
international which is nice. Plone Brighton, Plone Bondi, Plone Del
Mar, Plone Ventura (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_beaches)
Alteration can sounds good so a theme of words starting with P?

Yeah, that is very good too and I like the international aspect of
it. I think I like it even better than the snake one. We just need
to watch out as Apple codenamed a laptop Pismo, which is a beach in
California. I don't think they were on a beach theme though as the
others in the series were Lombard (I presume the street in SF), and
Wall Street.
We have to have a sprint / release party at each one of these
beaches as we go along right? ;)
I've always thought the Ubuntu release names were a bit naff. Whilst
I think they work great for developers I always feel a bit daft
referring to Breezy Badger or Oneiric Ocelot in a business setting.

same goes for android release names. I think ice cream sandwich is fun
for developers but your average person walking into a phone shop is
probably going to feel weird asking for it.
This name thing will be tough. It has to be both "enterprisy" and cool
for developers. A job for whoever is drinking beer at PSE right now :)

Post by Matt Hamilton
-Matt

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[Matt Hamilton]

same goes for android release names. I think ice cream sandwich is fun for developers but your average person walking into a phone shop is probably going to feel weird asking for it.

Indeed.

This name thing will be tough. It has to be both "enterprisy" and cool for developers.

I think the beach names works well as they are abstract enough.

A job for whoever is drinking beer at PSE right now :)

Uh-oh ;)

-Matt

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[Jan Ulrich Hasecke]

Post by Matt Hamilton
I think the beach names works well as they are abstract enough.

What about dances. I could perform a Tango, a Milonga and a Tango
Waltz at the release party. ;-)

juh

[Gabrielle Hendryx-Parker]

When coming up with a release name, keep in mind we will need to be able to explain the choice to the media. We can't just say "oh, it sounded nice", or "this is a fun destination for vacation" (although I personally like "Ventura").

"Lion" and "Tiger" both come with the connotations of "powerful", "superbe", "respectful", etc.

We will have to tie the name to the main features in Plone 5. So, what are the top 3 new benefits in Plone 5?

Gabrielle

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Post by Matt Hamilton

Since it's python we could use snake names. Plone cobra. Plone Anaconda. Plone Boa etc (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_snakes_by_common_name)

I really quite like that idea.

Previously there was a suggestion of famous beaches. That makes international which is nice. Plone Brighton, Plone Bondi, Plone Del Mar, Plone Ventura (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_beaches)
Alteration can sounds good so a theme of words starting with P?

Yeah, that is very good too and I like the international aspect of it. I think I like it even better than the snake one. We just need to watch out as Apple codenamed a laptop Pismo, which is a beach in California. I don't think they were on a beach theme though as the others in the series were Lombard (I presume the street in SF), and Wall Street.
We have to have a sprint / release party at each one of these beaches as we go along right? ;)
I've always thought the Ubuntu release names were a bit naff. Whilst I think they work great for developers I always feel a bit daft referring to Breezy Badger or Oneiric Ocelot in a business setting.
-Matt

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[Ross Patterson]

Post by Dylan Jay
Since it's python we could use snake names. Plone cobra. Plone
Anaconda. Plone Boa etc
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_snakes_by_common_name)
I really quite like that idea.

+1

Ross

[Matt Hamilton]

I think the idea of a contest to drive new users to Plone is a good one. But trophies? Not good. I work at a university and work with students every week with campaigns. They see trophies as a joke - artifacts of old time thinking with about as much attractiveness as an eight track or cassette tape. Please don't date Plone as old and tired in this way.
When dealing with competitors to whom acceptance means jobs, money, etc - this is just a bit weak. There are much better, more forward thinking ways to recognize excellent work. We should do this - but in a BIG way with some serious recognition.

And as if by magic?. just announced...

http://www.ploneconf.org/news/plone-innovation-awards-2012

Mark? you might want to check with them about trophies!

-Matt

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