Discussion:
[Evangelism] 8 Really Cool Things About Plone 4
Roberto Allende
2010-04-14 05:14:11 UTC
Permalink
Hello

Two years and a half ago, Jon Stahl wrote a great post blog named "8
Really Cool Things About Plone 3"[1]. There he wrote about new features
coming with Plone 3.

Considering there are just two weeks for World Plone Day 2010 and Plone
4 is going to be the star of the event, i would like to ask you what are
the features or things you would add in the "8 Really Cool things about
Plone 4" list.

You answer will help a lot making the great Plone 4 talk, every host
*must* have :)

Kind Regards
r.

1. http://jstahl.org/archives/2007/07/16/8-really-cool-things-about-plone-3/
--
http://worldploneday.org
Steve McMahon
2010-04-14 20:17:12 UTC
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A few of my favorites:

Dramatic speed improvements -- see Hanno's charts. Both for page rendering
and initial load.
http://blog.hannosch.eu/2010/01/plone-4-how-much-faster-is-it.html
http://jstahl.org/archives/2010/01/19/plone-4-three-times-faster-than-drupal-joomla-or-wordpress/

Python 2.6's improved memory management will decrease overall memory
footprint

New default visual editor: TinyMCE

Images and binary blobs automatically stored in file system rather than
ZODB, prevent database bloat.

New default theme, Sunburst, provides a modern, minimalist, grid-based theme
that's a better starting point for modern themes.

Support for login by e-mail address
Hello
Two years and a half ago, Jon Stahl wrote a great post blog named "8 Really
Cool Things About Plone 3"[1]. There he wrote about new features coming with
Plone 3.
Considering there are just two weeks for World Plone Day 2010 and Plone 4
is going to be the star of the event, i would like to ask you what are the
features or things you would add in the "8 Really Cool things about Plone 4"
list.
You answer will help a lot making the great Plone 4 talk, every host *must*
have :)
Kind Regards
r.
1.
http://jstahl.org/archives/2007/07/16/8-really-cool-things-about-plone-3/
--
http://worldploneday.org
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Scott Paley
2010-04-14 20:19:57 UTC
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"New default visual editor: TinyMCE"

But why is that a benefit? What was wrong with the old editor? What problem
is the new editor solving?

Without explaining the benefit of TinyMCE, I'm not sure it's a selling
point.
Post by Steve McMahon
Dramatic speed improvements -- see Hanno's charts. Both for page rendering
and initial load.
http://blog.hannosch.eu/2010/01/plone-4-how-much-faster-is-it.html
http://jstahl.org/archives/2010/01/19/plone-4-three-times-faster-than-drupal-joomla-or-wordpress/
Python 2.6's improved memory management will decrease overall memory
footprint
New default visual editor: TinyMCE
Images and binary blobs automatically stored in file system rather than
ZODB, prevent database bloat.
New default theme, Sunburst, provides a modern, minimalist, grid-based
theme that's a better starting point for modern themes.
Support for login by e-mail address
Post by Roberto Allende
Hello
Two years and a half ago, Jon Stahl wrote a great post blog named "8
Really Cool Things About Plone 3"[1]. There he wrote about new features
coming with Plone 3.
Considering there are just two weeks for World Plone Day 2010 and Plone 4
is going to be the star of the event, i would like to ask you what are the
features or things you would add in the "8 Really Cool things about Plone 4"
list.
You answer will help a lot making the great Plone 4 talk, every host
*must* have :)
Kind Regards
r.
1.
http://jstahl.org/archives/2007/07/16/8-really-cool-things-about-plone-3/
--
http://worldploneday.org
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Steve McMahon
2010-04-14 20:33:49 UTC
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Scott asks a particular question; let me raise the general one:

Plone 4.0 is really a "sucks less" release. To me, it's awesome because I
know that all the many "sucks less" improvements (not as slow, not as much
memory use, more mainstream visual editor, no silly small/large folder
distinction ...) will make huge improvements for integrators, developers and
users. But, it's a marketing challenge to convey that to those outside our
circle. "Plone 4: It's better at everything that matters"?
Post by Scott Paley
"New default visual editor: TinyMCE"
But why is that a benefit? What was wrong with the old editor? What problem
is the new editor solving?
Without explaining the benefit of TinyMCE, I'm not sure it's a selling
point.
Post by Steve McMahon
Dramatic speed improvements -- see Hanno's charts. Both for page rendering
and initial load.
http://blog.hannosch.eu/2010/01/plone-4-how-much-faster-is-it.html
http://jstahl.org/archives/2010/01/19/plone-4-three-times-faster-than-drupal-joomla-or-wordpress/
Python 2.6's improved memory management will decrease overall memory
footprint
New default visual editor: TinyMCE
Images and binary blobs automatically stored in file system rather than
ZODB, prevent database bloat.
New default theme, Sunburst, provides a modern, minimalist, grid-based
theme that's a better starting point for modern themes.
Support for login by e-mail address
Post by Roberto Allende
Hello
Two years and a half ago, Jon Stahl wrote a great post blog named "8
Really Cool Things About Plone 3"[1]. There he wrote about new features
coming with Plone 3.
Considering there are just two weeks for World Plone Day 2010 and Plone 4
is going to be the star of the event, i would like to ask you what are the
features or things you would add in the "8 Really Cool things about Plone 4"
list.
You answer will help a lot making the great Plone 4 talk, every host
*must* have :)
Kind Regards
r.
1.
http://jstahl.org/archives/2007/07/16/8-really-cool-things-about-plone-3/
--
http://worldploneday.org
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Scott Paley
2010-04-14 20:48:36 UTC
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Plone 4: It's the Little Things

:)

On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Ken Wasetis [Contextual Corp.] <
Plone 4: The 'Stealthy Bliss Release' ?
I see it being akin to the updated Facebook iPhone App that finally
respects ones 'block' settings, so one doesn't have to read through
everyone's Farmville and Mafia updates ;)
Sometimes it's the little things that really matter to people. Apple is
king of marketing/emphasizing these. I think the best way to highlight this
is going to be through screencasts that we market, have a prominent link to
from the plone.org home page, etc., so let them begin...
-Ken
Post by Steve McMahon
Plone 4.0 is really a "sucks less" release. To me, it's awesome because I
know that all the many "sucks less" improvements (not as slow, not as much
memory use, more mainstream visual editor, no silly small/large folder
distinction ...) will make huge improvements for integrators, developers and
users. But, it's a marketing challenge to convey that to those outside our
circle. "Plone 4: It's better at everything that matters"?
"New default visual editor: TinyMCE"
But why is that a benefit? What was wrong with the old editor?
What problem is the new editor solving?
Without explaining the benefit of TinyMCE, I'm not sure it's a
selling point.
Dramatic speed improvements -- see Hanno's charts. Both for
page rendering and initial load.
http://blog.hannosch.eu/2010/01/plone-4-how-much-faster-is-it.html
http://jstahl.org/archives/2010/01/19/plone-4-three-times-faster-than-drupal-joomla-or-wordpress/
Python 2.6's improved memory management will decrease overall
memory footprint
New default visual editor: TinyMCE
Images and binary blobs automatically stored in file system
rather than ZODB, prevent database bloat.
New default theme, Sunburst, provides a modern, minimalist,
grid-based theme that's a better starting point for modern themes.
Support for login by e-mail address
On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 5:13 PM, Roberto Allende
Hello
Two years and a half ago, Jon Stahl wrote a great post
blog named "8 Really Cool Things About Plone 3"[1]. There
he wrote about new features coming with Plone 3.
Considering there are just two weeks for World Plone Day
2010 and Plone 4 is going to be the star of the event, i
would like to ask you what are the features or things you
would add in the "8 Really Cool things about Plone 4" list.
You answer will help a lot making the great Plone 4 talk,
every host *must* have :)
Kind Regards
r.
1.
http://jstahl.org/archives/2007/07/16/8-really-cool-things-about-plone-3/
-- http://worldploneday.org
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Ken Wasetis [Contextual Corp.]
2010-04-14 21:12:25 UTC
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Plone 4: The 'Stealthy Bliss Release' ?


I see it being akin to the updated Facebook iPhone App that finally
respects ones 'block' settings, so one doesn't have to read through
everyone's Farmville and Mafia updates ;)

Sometimes it's the little things that really matter to people. Apple is
king of marketing/emphasizing these. I think the best way to highlight
this is going to be through screencasts that we market, have a prominent
link to from the plone.org home page, etc., so let them begin...

-Ken
Post by Steve McMahon
Plone 4.0 is really a "sucks less" release. To me, it's awesome
because I know that all the many "sucks less" improvements (not as
slow, not as much memory use, more mainstream visual editor, no silly
small/large folder distinction ...) will make huge improvements for
integrators, developers and users. But, it's a marketing challenge to
convey that to those outside our circle. "Plone 4: It's better at
everything that matters"?
"New default visual editor: TinyMCE"
But why is that a benefit? What was wrong with the old editor?
What problem is the new editor solving?
Without explaining the benefit of TinyMCE, I'm not sure it's a
selling point.
Dramatic speed improvements -- see Hanno's charts. Both for
page rendering and initial load.
http://blog.hannosch.eu/2010/01/plone-4-how-much-faster-is-it.html
http://jstahl.org/archives/2010/01/19/plone-4-three-times-faster-than-drupal-joomla-or-wordpress/
Python 2.6's improved memory management will decrease overall
memory footprint
New default visual editor: TinyMCE
Images and binary blobs automatically stored in file system
rather than ZODB, prevent database bloat.
New default theme, Sunburst, provides a modern, minimalist,
grid-based theme that's a better starting point for modern themes.
Support for login by e-mail address
On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 5:13 PM, Roberto Allende
Hello
Two years and a half ago, Jon Stahl wrote a great post
blog named "8 Really Cool Things About Plone 3"[1]. There
he wrote about new features coming with Plone 3.
Considering there are just two weeks for World Plone Day
2010 and Plone 4 is going to be the star of the event, i
would like to ask you what are the features or things you
would add in the "8 Really Cool things about Plone 4" list.
You answer will help a lot making the great Plone 4 talk,
every host *must* have :)
Kind Regards
r.
1.
http://jstahl.org/archives/2007/07/16/8-really-cool-things-about-plone-3/
--
http://worldploneday.org
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Eric Steele
2010-04-14 22:42:16 UTC
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I've been considering it more our "Snow Leopard". It's got a lot of backend cleanup, many smaller UI optimizations, a visual refresh, and the Python you already have won't work quite right. ;)

Eric
Plone 4: The 'Stealthy Bliss Release' ?
I see it being akin to the updated Facebook iPhone App that finally respects ones 'block' settings, so one doesn't have to read through everyone's Farmville and Mafia updates ;)
Sometimes it's the little things that really matter to people. Apple is king of marketing/emphasizing these. I think the best way to highlight this is going to be through screencasts that we market, have a prominent link to from the plone.org home page, etc., so let them begin...
-Ken
Plone 4.0 is really a "sucks less" release. To me, it's awesome because I know that all the many "sucks less" improvements (not as slow, not as much memory use, more mainstream visual editor, no silly small/large folder distinction ...) will make huge improvements for integrators, developers and users. But, it's a marketing challenge to convey that to those outside our circle. "Plone 4: It's better at everything that matters"?
"New default visual editor: TinyMCE"
But why is that a benefit? What was wrong with the old editor?
What problem is the new editor solving?
Without explaining the benefit of TinyMCE, I'm not sure it's a
selling point.
Dramatic speed improvements -- see Hanno's charts. Both for
page rendering and initial load.
http://blog.hannosch.eu/2010/01/plone-4-how-much-faster-is-it.html
http://jstahl.org/archives/2010/01/19/plone-4-three-times-faster-than-drupal-joomla-or-wordpress/
Python 2.6's improved memory management will decrease overall
memory footprint
New default visual editor: TinyMCE
Images and binary blobs automatically stored in file system
rather than ZODB, prevent database bloat.
New default theme, Sunburst, provides a modern, minimalist,
grid-based theme that's a better starting point for modern themes.
Support for login by e-mail address
On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 5:13 PM, Roberto Allende
Hello
Two years and a half ago, Jon Stahl wrote a great post
blog named "8 Really Cool Things About Plone 3"[1]. There
he wrote about new features coming with Plone 3.
Considering there are just two weeks for World Plone Day
2010 and Plone 4 is going to be the star of the event, i
would like to ask you what are the features or things you
would add in the "8 Really Cool things about Plone 4" list.
You answer will help a lot making the great Plone 4 talk,
every host *must* have :)
Kind Regards
r.
1.
http://jstahl.org/archives/2007/07/16/8-really-cool-things-about-plone-3/
-- http://worldploneday.org
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Ken Wasetis [Contextual Corp.]
2010-04-14 22:54:03 UTC
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Good one! Maybe 'Snow Leonard', then? Sounds a bit geekier, which is
right. ;)
Post by Eric Steele
I've been considering it more our "Snow Leopard". It's got a lot of backend cleanup, many smaller UI optimizations, a visual refresh, and the Python you already have won't work quite right. ;)
Eric
Plone 4: The 'Stealthy Bliss Release' ?
I see it being akin to the updated Facebook iPhone App that finally respects ones 'block' settings, so one doesn't have to read through everyone's Farmville and Mafia updates ;)
Sometimes it's the little things that really matter to people. Apple is king of marketing/emphasizing these. I think the best way to highlight this is going to be through screencasts that we market, have a prominent link to from the plone.org home page, etc., so let them begin...
-Ken
Plone 4.0 is really a "sucks less" release. To me, it's awesome because I know that all the many "sucks less" improvements (not as slow, not as much memory use, more mainstream visual editor, no silly small/large folder distinction ...) will make huge improvements for integrators, developers and users. But, it's a marketing challenge to convey that to those outside our circle. "Plone 4: It's better at everything that matters"?
"New default visual editor: TinyMCE"
But why is that a benefit? What was wrong with the old editor?
What problem is the new editor solving?
Without explaining the benefit of TinyMCE, I'm not sure it's a
selling point.
Dramatic speed improvements -- see Hanno's charts. Both for
page rendering and initial load.
http://blog.hannosch.eu/2010/01/plone-4-how-much-faster-is-it.html
http://jstahl.org/archives/2010/01/19/plone-4-three-times-faster-than-drupal-joomla-or-wordpress/
Python 2.6's improved memory management will decrease overall
memory footprint
New default visual editor: TinyMCE
Images and binary blobs automatically stored in file system
rather than ZODB, prevent database bloat.
New default theme, Sunburst, provides a modern, minimalist,
grid-based theme that's a better starting point for modern themes.
Support for login by e-mail address
On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 5:13 PM, Roberto Allende
Hello
Two years and a half ago, Jon Stahl wrote a great post
blog named "8 Really Cool Things About Plone 3"[1]. There
he wrote about new features coming with Plone 3.
Considering there are just two weeks for World Plone Day
2010 and Plone 4 is going to be the star of the event, i
would like to ask you what are the features or things you
would add in the "8 Really Cool things about Plone 4" list.
You answer will help a lot making the great Plone 4 talk,
every host *must* have :)
Kind Regards
r.
1.
http://jstahl.org/archives/2007/07/16/8-really-cool-things-about-plone-3/
-- http://worldploneday.org
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Ken Wasetis [Contextual Corp.]
2010-04-14 17:46:52 UTC
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Good one! Maybe 'Snow Leonard', then? Sounds a bit geekier, which is
right. ;)
Post by Eric Steele
I've been considering it more our "Snow Leopard". It's got a lot of backend cleanup, many smaller UI optimizations, a visual refresh, and the Python you already have won't work quite right. ;)
Eric
Plone 4: The 'Stealthy Bliss Release' ?
I see it being akin to the updated Facebook iPhone App that finally respects ones 'block' settings, so one doesn't have to read through everyone's Farmville and Mafia updates ;)
Sometimes it's the little things that really matter to people. Apple is king of marketing/emphasizing these. I think the best way to highlight this is going to be through screencasts that we market, have a prominent link to from the plone.org home page, etc., so let them begin...
-Ken
Plone 4.0 is really a "sucks less" release. To me, it's awesome because I know that all the many "sucks less" improvements (not as slow, not as much memory use, more mainstream visual editor, no silly small/large folder distinction ...) will make huge improvements for integrators, developers and users. But, it's a marketing challenge to convey that to those outside our circle. "Plone 4: It's better at everything that matters"?
"New default visual editor: TinyMCE"
But why is that a benefit? What was wrong with the old editor?
What problem is the new editor solving?
Without explaining the benefit of TinyMCE, I'm not sure it's a
selling point.
On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 11:16 AM, Steve McMahon <steve at dcn.org
Dramatic speed improvements -- see Hanno's charts. Both for
page rendering and initial load.
http://blog.hannosch.eu/2010/01/plone-4-how-much-faster-is-it.html
http://jstahl.org/archives/2010/01/19/plone-4-three-times-faster-than-drupal-joomla-or-wordpress/
Python 2.6's improved memory management will decrease overall
memory footprint
New default visual editor: TinyMCE
Images and binary blobs automatically stored in file system
rather than ZODB, prevent database bloat.
New default theme, Sunburst, provides a modern, minimalist,
grid-based theme that's a better starting point for modern themes.
Support for login by e-mail address
On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 5:13 PM, Roberto Allende
Hello
Two years and a half ago, Jon Stahl wrote a great post
blog named "8 Really Cool Things About Plone 3"[1]. There
he wrote about new features coming with Plone 3.
Considering there are just two weeks for World Plone Day
2010 and Plone 4 is going to be the star of the event, i
would like to ask you what are the features or things you
would add in the "8 Really Cool things about Plone 4" list.
You answer will help a lot making the great Plone 4 talk,
every host *must* have :)
Kind Regards
r.
1.
http://jstahl.org/archives/2007/07/16/8-really-cool-things-about-plone-3/
-- http://worldploneday.org
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Scott Paley
2010-04-14 15:47:45 UTC
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Plone 4: It's the Little Things

:)

On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Ken Wasetis [Contextual Corp.] <
Plone 4: The 'Stealthy Bliss Release' ?
I see it being akin to the updated Facebook iPhone App that finally
respects ones 'block' settings, so one doesn't have to read through
everyone's Farmville and Mafia updates ;)
Sometimes it's the little things that really matter to people. Apple is
king of marketing/emphasizing these. I think the best way to highlight this
is going to be through screencasts that we market, have a prominent link to
from the plone.org home page, etc., so let them begin...
-Ken
Post by Steve McMahon
Plone 4.0 is really a "sucks less" release. To me, it's awesome because I
know that all the many "sucks less" improvements (not as slow, not as much
memory use, more mainstream visual editor, no silly small/large folder
distinction ...) will make huge improvements for integrators, developers and
users. But, it's a marketing challenge to convey that to those outside our
circle. "Plone 4: It's better at everything that matters"?
"New default visual editor: TinyMCE"
But why is that a benefit? What was wrong with the old editor?
What problem is the new editor solving?
Without explaining the benefit of TinyMCE, I'm not sure it's a
selling point.
On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 11:16 AM, Steve McMahon <steve at dcn.org
Dramatic speed improvements -- see Hanno's charts. Both for
page rendering and initial load.
http://blog.hannosch.eu/2010/01/plone-4-how-much-faster-is-it.html
http://jstahl.org/archives/2010/01/19/plone-4-three-times-faster-than-drupal-joomla-or-wordpress/
Python 2.6's improved memory management will decrease overall
memory footprint
New default visual editor: TinyMCE
Images and binary blobs automatically stored in file system
rather than ZODB, prevent database bloat.
New default theme, Sunburst, provides a modern, minimalist,
grid-based theme that's a better starting point for modern themes.
Support for login by e-mail address
On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 5:13 PM, Roberto Allende
Hello
Two years and a half ago, Jon Stahl wrote a great post
blog named "8 Really Cool Things About Plone 3"[1]. There
he wrote about new features coming with Plone 3.
Considering there are just two weeks for World Plone Day
2010 and Plone 4 is going to be the star of the event, i
would like to ask you what are the features or things you
would add in the "8 Really Cool things about Plone 4" list.
You answer will help a lot making the great Plone 4 talk,
every host *must* have :)
Kind Regards
r.
1.
http://jstahl.org/archives/2007/07/16/8-really-cool-things-about-plone-3/
-- http://worldploneday.org
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Eric Steele
2010-04-14 17:41:58 UTC
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I've been considering it more our "Snow Leopard". It's got a lot of backend cleanup, many smaller UI optimizations, a visual refresh, and the Python you already have won't work quite right. ;)

Eric
Plone 4: The 'Stealthy Bliss Release' ?
I see it being akin to the updated Facebook iPhone App that finally respects ones 'block' settings, so one doesn't have to read through everyone's Farmville and Mafia updates ;)
Sometimes it's the little things that really matter to people. Apple is king of marketing/emphasizing these. I think the best way to highlight this is going to be through screencasts that we market, have a prominent link to from the plone.org home page, etc., so let them begin...
-Ken
Plone 4.0 is really a "sucks less" release. To me, it's awesome because I know that all the many "sucks less" improvements (not as slow, not as much memory use, more mainstream visual editor, no silly small/large folder distinction ...) will make huge improvements for integrators, developers and users. But, it's a marketing challenge to convey that to those outside our circle. "Plone 4: It's better at everything that matters"?
"New default visual editor: TinyMCE"
But why is that a benefit? What was wrong with the old editor?
What problem is the new editor solving?
Without explaining the benefit of TinyMCE, I'm not sure it's a
selling point.
On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 11:16 AM, Steve McMahon <steve at dcn.org
Dramatic speed improvements -- see Hanno's charts. Both for
page rendering and initial load.
http://blog.hannosch.eu/2010/01/plone-4-how-much-faster-is-it.html
http://jstahl.org/archives/2010/01/19/plone-4-three-times-faster-than-drupal-joomla-or-wordpress/
Python 2.6's improved memory management will decrease overall
memory footprint
New default visual editor: TinyMCE
Images and binary blobs automatically stored in file system
rather than ZODB, prevent database bloat.
New default theme, Sunburst, provides a modern, minimalist,
grid-based theme that's a better starting point for modern themes.
Support for login by e-mail address
On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 5:13 PM, Roberto Allende
Hello
Two years and a half ago, Jon Stahl wrote a great post
blog named "8 Really Cool Things About Plone 3"[1]. There
he wrote about new features coming with Plone 3.
Considering there are just two weeks for World Plone Day
2010 and Plone 4 is going to be the star of the event, i
would like to ask you what are the features or things you
would add in the "8 Really Cool things about Plone 4" list.
You answer will help a lot making the great Plone 4 talk,
every host *must* have :)
Kind Regards
r.
1.
http://jstahl.org/archives/2007/07/16/8-really-cool-things-about-plone-3/
-- http://worldploneday.org
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Ken Wasetis [Contextual Corp.]
2010-04-14 15:40:42 UTC
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Plone 4: The 'Stealthy Bliss Release' ?


I see it being akin to the updated Facebook iPhone App that finally
respects ones 'block' settings, so one doesn't have to read through
everyone's Farmville and Mafia updates ;)

Sometimes it's the little things that really matter to people. Apple is
king of marketing/emphasizing these. I think the best way to highlight
this is going to be through screencasts that we market, have a prominent
link to from the plone.org home page, etc., so let them begin...

-Ken
Post by Steve McMahon
Plone 4.0 is really a "sucks less" release. To me, it's awesome
because I know that all the many "sucks less" improvements (not as
slow, not as much memory use, more mainstream visual editor, no silly
small/large folder distinction ...) will make huge improvements for
integrators, developers and users. But, it's a marketing challenge to
convey that to those outside our circle. "Plone 4: It's better at
everything that matters"?
On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 8:19 AM, Scott Paley <scott at abstractedge.com
"New default visual editor: TinyMCE"
But why is that a benefit? What was wrong with the old editor?
What problem is the new editor solving?
Without explaining the benefit of TinyMCE, I'm not sure it's a
selling point.
On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 11:16 AM, Steve McMahon <steve at dcn.org
Dramatic speed improvements -- see Hanno's charts. Both for
page rendering and initial load.
http://blog.hannosch.eu/2010/01/plone-4-how-much-faster-is-it.html
http://jstahl.org/archives/2010/01/19/plone-4-three-times-faster-than-drupal-joomla-or-wordpress/
Python 2.6's improved memory management will decrease overall
memory footprint
New default visual editor: TinyMCE
Images and binary blobs automatically stored in file system
rather than ZODB, prevent database bloat.
New default theme, Sunburst, provides a modern, minimalist,
grid-based theme that's a better starting point for modern themes.
Support for login by e-mail address
On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 5:13 PM, Roberto Allende
Hello
Two years and a half ago, Jon Stahl wrote a great post
blog named "8 Really Cool Things About Plone 3"[1]. There
he wrote about new features coming with Plone 3.
Considering there are just two weeks for World Plone Day
2010 and Plone 4 is going to be the star of the event, i
would like to ask you what are the features or things you
would add in the "8 Really Cool things about Plone 4" list.
You answer will help a lot making the great Plone 4 talk,
every host *must* have :)
Kind Regards
r.
1.
http://jstahl.org/archives/2007/07/16/8-really-cool-things-about-plone-3/
--
http://worldploneday.org
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Chris Calloway
2010-04-15 01:52:26 UTC
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Post by Scott Paley
Without explaining the benefit of TinyMCE, I'm not sure it's a selling
point.
Check this out:

http://tinymce.moxiecode.com/examples/full.php

I'm sold.
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http://www.secoora.org
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mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599
Steve McMahon
2010-04-14 15:32:54 UTC
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Scott asks a particular question; let me raise the general one:

Plone 4.0 is really a "sucks less" release. To me, it's awesome because I
know that all the many "sucks less" improvements (not as slow, not as much
memory use, more mainstream visual editor, no silly small/large folder
distinction ...) will make huge improvements for integrators, developers and
users. But, it's a marketing challenge to convey that to those outside our
circle. "Plone 4: It's better at everything that matters"?
Post by Scott Paley
"New default visual editor: TinyMCE"
But why is that a benefit? What was wrong with the old editor? What problem
is the new editor solving?
Without explaining the benefit of TinyMCE, I'm not sure it's a selling
point.
Post by Steve McMahon
Dramatic speed improvements -- see Hanno's charts. Both for page rendering
and initial load.
http://blog.hannosch.eu/2010/01/plone-4-how-much-faster-is-it.html
http://jstahl.org/archives/2010/01/19/plone-4-three-times-faster-than-drupal-joomla-or-wordpress/
Python 2.6's improved memory management will decrease overall memory
footprint
New default visual editor: TinyMCE
Images and binary blobs automatically stored in file system rather than
ZODB, prevent database bloat.
New default theme, Sunburst, provides a modern, minimalist, grid-based
theme that's a better starting point for modern themes.
Support for login by e-mail address
Post by Roberto Allende
Hello
Two years and a half ago, Jon Stahl wrote a great post blog named "8
Really Cool Things About Plone 3"[1]. There he wrote about new features
coming with Plone 3.
Considering there are just two weeks for World Plone Day 2010 and Plone 4
is going to be the star of the event, i would like to ask you what are the
features or things you would add in the "8 Really Cool things about Plone 4"
list.
You answer will help a lot making the great Plone 4 talk, every host
*must* have :)
Kind Regards
r.
1.
http://jstahl.org/archives/2007/07/16/8-really-cool-things-about-plone-3/
--
http://worldploneday.org
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Chris Calloway
2010-04-14 20:51:44 UTC
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Post by Scott Paley
Without explaining the benefit of TinyMCE, I'm not sure it's a selling
point.
Check this out:

http://tinymce.moxiecode.com/examples/full.php

I'm sold.
--
Sincerely,

Chris Calloway
http://www.secoora.org
office: 332 Chapman Hall phone: (919) 599-3530
mail: Campus Box #3300, UNC-CH, Chapel Hill, NC 27599
Dylan Jay
2010-04-15 03:04:24 UTC
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Plone 4- twice as fast, four times as sexy.

Dylan Jay
Technical solution manager
PretaWeb 99552830
Post by Steve McMahon
Dramatic speed improvements -- see Hanno's charts. Both for page
rendering and initial load.
http://blog.hannosch.eu/2010/01/plone-4-how-much-faster-is-it.html
http://jstahl.org/archives/2010/01/19/plone-4-three-times-faster-than-drupal-joomla-or-wordpress/
Python 2.6's improved memory management will decrease overall memory
footprint
New default visual editor: TinyMCE
Images and binary blobs automatically stored in file system rather
than ZODB, prevent database bloat.
New default theme, Sunburst, provides a modern, minimalist, grid-
based theme that's a better starting point for modern themes.
Support for login by e-mail address
Hello
Two years and a half ago, Jon Stahl wrote a great post blog named "8
Really Cool Things About Plone 3"[1]. There he wrote about new
features coming with Plone 3.
Considering there are just two weeks for World Plone Day 2010 and
Plone 4 is going to be the star of the event, i would like to ask
you what are the features or things you would add in the "8 Really
Cool things about Plone 4" list.
You answer will help a lot making the great Plone 4 talk, every host
*must* have :)
Kind Regards
r.
1. http://jstahl.org/archives/2007/07/16/8-really-cool-things-about-plone-3/
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Scott Paley
2010-04-14 15:19:03 UTC
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"New default visual editor: TinyMCE"

But why is that a benefit? What was wrong with the old editor? What problem
is the new editor solving?

Without explaining the benefit of TinyMCE, I'm not sure it's a selling
point.
Post by Steve McMahon
Dramatic speed improvements -- see Hanno's charts. Both for page rendering
and initial load.
http://blog.hannosch.eu/2010/01/plone-4-how-much-faster-is-it.html
http://jstahl.org/archives/2010/01/19/plone-4-three-times-faster-than-drupal-joomla-or-wordpress/
Python 2.6's improved memory management will decrease overall memory
footprint
New default visual editor: TinyMCE
Images and binary blobs automatically stored in file system rather than
ZODB, prevent database bloat.
New default theme, Sunburst, provides a modern, minimalist, grid-based
theme that's a better starting point for modern themes.
Support for login by e-mail address
Post by Roberto Allende
Hello
Two years and a half ago, Jon Stahl wrote a great post blog named "8
Really Cool Things About Plone 3"[1]. There he wrote about new features
coming with Plone 3.
Considering there are just two weeks for World Plone Day 2010 and Plone 4
is going to be the star of the event, i would like to ask you what are the
features or things you would add in the "8 Really Cool things about Plone 4"
list.
You answer will help a lot making the great Plone 4 talk, every host
*must* have :)
Kind Regards
r.
1.
http://jstahl.org/archives/2007/07/16/8-really-cool-things-about-plone-3/
--
http://worldploneday.org
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Dylan Jay
2010-04-14 21:06:12 UTC
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Plone 4- twice as fast, four times as sexy.

Dylan Jay
Technical solution manager
PretaWeb 99552830
Post by Steve McMahon
Dramatic speed improvements -- see Hanno's charts. Both for page
rendering and initial load.
http://blog.hannosch.eu/2010/01/plone-4-how-much-faster-is-it.html
http://jstahl.org/archives/2010/01/19/plone-4-three-times-faster-than-drupal-joomla-or-wordpress/
Python 2.6's improved memory management will decrease overall memory
footprint
New default visual editor: TinyMCE
Images and binary blobs automatically stored in file system rather
than ZODB, prevent database bloat.
New default theme, Sunburst, provides a modern, minimalist, grid-
based theme that's a better starting point for modern themes.
Support for login by e-mail address
Hello
Two years and a half ago, Jon Stahl wrote a great post blog named "8
Really Cool Things About Plone 3"[1]. There he wrote about new
features coming with Plone 3.
Considering there are just two weeks for World Plone Day 2010 and
Plone 4 is going to be the star of the event, i would like to ask
you what are the features or things you would add in the "8 Really
Cool things about Plone 4" list.
You answer will help a lot making the great Plone 4 talk, every host
*must* have :)
Kind Regards
r.
1. http://jstahl.org/archives/2007/07/16/8-really-cool-things-about-plone-3/
--
http://worldploneday.org
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Roberto Allende
2010-04-14 00:13:41 UTC
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Hello

Two years and a half ago, Jon Stahl wrote a great post blog named "8
Really Cool Things About Plone 3"[1]. There he wrote about new features
coming with Plone 3.

Considering there are just two weeks for World Plone Day 2010 and Plone
4 is going to be the star of the event, i would like to ask you what are
the features or things you would add in the "8 Really Cool things about
Plone 4" list.

You answer will help a lot making the great Plone 4 talk, every host
*must* have :)

Kind Regards
r.

1. http://jstahl.org/archives/2007/07/16/8-really-cool-things-about-plone-3/
--
http://worldploneday.org
Steve McMahon
2010-04-14 15:16:18 UTC
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A few of my favorites:

Dramatic speed improvements -- see Hanno's charts. Both for page rendering
and initial load.
http://blog.hannosch.eu/2010/01/plone-4-how-much-faster-is-it.html
http://jstahl.org/archives/2010/01/19/plone-4-three-times-faster-than-drupal-joomla-or-wordpress/

Python 2.6's improved memory management will decrease overall memory
footprint

New default visual editor: TinyMCE

Images and binary blobs automatically stored in file system rather than
ZODB, prevent database bloat.

New default theme, Sunburst, provides a modern, minimalist, grid-based theme
that's a better starting point for modern themes.

Support for login by e-mail address
Hello
Two years and a half ago, Jon Stahl wrote a great post blog named "8 Really
Cool Things About Plone 3"[1]. There he wrote about new features coming with
Plone 3.
Considering there are just two weeks for World Plone Day 2010 and Plone 4
is going to be the star of the event, i would like to ask you what are the
features or things you would add in the "8 Really Cool things about Plone 4"
list.
You answer will help a lot making the great Plone 4 talk, every host *must*
have :)
Kind Regards
r.
1.
http://jstahl.org/archives/2007/07/16/8-really-cool-things-about-plone-3/
--
http://worldploneday.org
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