[Evangelism] Plone vs Joomla vs Wordpress

[Matt Hamilton]

I just saw this article (currently slashdotted)

http://www.playingwithwire.com/2009/03/open-source-and-usability-joomla-vs-wordpress/

cached version:

http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache:cm0Fw7t4g4wJ:www.playingwithwire.com/2009/03/open-source-and-usability-joomla-vs-wordpress/+http://www.playingwithwire.com/2009/03/open-source-and-usability-joomla-vs-wordpress/&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&client=firefox-a

And so wrote up how Plone compares in these trivial cases:

http://www.netsight.co.uk/blog/2009/3/3/open-source-and-usability:-plone

-Matt

[Matt Hamilton]

I just saw this article (currently slashdotted)

http://www.playingwithwire.com/2009/03/open-source-and-usability-joomla-vs-wordpress/

cached version:

http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache:cm0Fw7t4g4wJ:www.playingwithwire.com/2009/03/open-source-and-usability-joomla-vs-wordpress/+http://www.playingwithwire.com/2009/03/open-source-and-usability-joomla-vs-wordpress/&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&client=firefox-a

And so wrote up how Plone compares in these trivial cases:

http://www.netsight.co.uk/blog/2009/3/3/open-source-and-usability:-plone

-Matt

[ctxlken]

You seem to be a spammer. Please prove me wrong.

Hello, I found this joomla 2.5 site via
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[ctxlken]

Idealware puts out a nice report that evaluates all three of these in
some depth:
http://www.idealware.org/reports/2010-os-cms

-Ken

Hi It is very difficult to someone to compare both. joomla and
wordpress both have their own importance. As wordpress is much more
user friendly where as joomla is more flexible and Moreover for its
customization you don?t need to have extensive programming knowledge.
Plone is something new to me. I haven't heard about that. Thanks for
this amazing discussion that will definitely help me to learn about
plone.
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[brisbanestreets]

I am NEW to Plone . . as of now . . as a long time WP publisher - i have
come here in the search for extensibility - the comments made at Netsight
are a good sparker -

"I would say if you just want a blog, then Wordpress might be the best for
you, but if you are looking for something much more powerful with the
ability to integrate with many different systems, with fine grained
role-based authorisation, workflow, etc yet still retain a very simple UI
for end users, then Plone might be the tool for the job."

and so will lead me down the proactively down the investigation and
comparison path.



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[tloizos1972]

Hi,

I have been using Wordpress for my blogs for along time, but was wondering
If I could move one of my sites over from Wordpress to Plone to try it out
and still keep the features of my site.

Travis



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[PatDole]

I am using WP for years but a business partner got me interested in Plone,
because i is faster and more secure. But fewer commercial web hosts support
the requirements for Plone than support the requirements for WordPress.

Considering all you can get for WP i.e. different themes, plug ins, i am
still wondering if i even should try Plone. Still working on it



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[Dylan Jay]

Post by PatDole
I am using WP for years but a business partner got me interested in Plone,
because i is faster and more secure. But fewer commercial web hosts support
the requirements for Plone than support the requirements for
WordPress.
Considering all you can get for WP i.e. different themes, plug ins, i am
still wondering if i even should try Plone. Still working on it

The reason you'd try Plone is flexibility. If you plan on managing a
lot of content, pdfs etc with many different editors then eventually
you will reach the limits of WP or Joomla. Plone is the elevator that
goes all the way up.

I'd recommend the best way to get started is ploud.com which comes
bundled with Diazo + lots of plugins which allows to create many
different kinds of sites without having to write code.

If you do need to write code or want to install plugins not supported
by ploud.com, the next easiest step to having a public plone site
isn't that clear.

The best advice I can give is to get a $10pm ish server from Amazon
Ec2 or rackspace cloud or similar and follow the steps here

http://collective-docs.readthedocs.org/en/latest/getstarted/installation.html

We were working on a service that automated these steps for you, and
I'd be really interested in some feed back from you.

The service is called plonefactory.com.
You go there and it gives you advice on Amazon, or rackspace etc. Lets
you select one of the virtual server providers and then sign up to them.
Plonefactory then asks you your amazon or rackspace credentials and
will then do everything to create that new virtual server, configure
it and install plone so all you have to do in the end is log in and
start using plone. It will also send you a zip file to install on your
computer so install and test plugins locally and then one click
install them on your remote server.

If such a service existed would it make you feel more comfortable
about trying plone? or would you still prefer more hosters who
specifically said they are "plone compatible"?

btw, to other plone devs on this list. We haven't made much progress
on plonefactory in the last year. It's a gevent based pyramid app.
Would anyone be interested in helping finish it off if we open sourced
it?

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[Chris Calloway]

btw, to other plone devs on this list. We haven't made much progress on
plonefactory in the last year. It's a gevent based pyramid app. Would
anyone be interested in helping finish it off if we open sourced it?

Ref this thread:

http://lists.plone.org/pipermail/plone-evangelism/2011-May/002292.html

Is it better to have an app that makes images on popular clouds, or
simply have public images available on popular clouds?

[Dylan Jay]

Post by Chris Calloway

Post by Dylan Jay
btw, to other plone devs on this list. We haven't made much
progress on
plonefactory in the last year. It's a gevent based pyramid app. Would
anyone be interested in helping finish it off if we open sourced it?

http://lists.plone.org/pipermail/plone-evangelism/2011-May/002292.html
Is it better to have an app that makes images on popular clouds, or
simply have public images available on popular clouds?

Possibly.
One downside is that many popular cloud providers don't provide user
contributed public images e.g. rackspace (unless something has changed
recently). libcloud on the other hand gives you access to a large
range of hosting providers.
I think choice of hosting provider gives people a sense of security.

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[MarinaP1979]

I did not use Plone more in their projects, as I only have a blog on WP and
it is a good solution for blog sites. WP many advantages: plug-ins,
templates, and regular updates. However, for commercial purposes it is
better to look for a system, secure and scalable that can be easily
integrated. The main thing that the system can take its place, then the
system will be in demand.
Rules of success:
1. Security and regular updates.
2. Extensibility and integration with other systems.
3. Easy to create templates and content management
4. The speed and stability



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[Chris Calloway]

Post by MarinaP1979
I did not use Plone more in their projects,

Apparently this list has devolved into a comment spam farm?

[Matt Hamilton]

Post by Chris Calloway

Post by MarinaP1979
I did not use Plone more in their projects,

Apparently this list has devolved into a comment spam farm?

Yeah, I was thinking that too? looking at the email addresses of the last few comments. The thing that really troubles me is what have we come to that someone is paying (I presume) for some kind of mechanical turk to directly try and rubbish one project over another. It's one thing someone with a few braincells saying "X is better then Y because of Z". Very different to have some blanket bot turfing.

-Matt

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[Chris Calloway]

Post by Matt Hamilton
someone is paying (I presume) for some kind of mechanical
turk to directly try and rubbish one project over another.

That's what it looked like to me, also. I take care of this on email
lists I manage by moderating the subscriptions (rather than the posts).
If one of the current list managers cc'd on this email would add me as a
mod for this list, I'd be glad to get out my mop and clean this up.

[Armin Stroß-Radschinski]

Is this only relevant on our lists or did you recognize this on other
cms lists related to Plone as well?

On our lists we should use some quarantane bot that should use an
adjustable rule filter to put those mails into pandoras box. I do this
with rues for incoming stuff very sucessful. I need this beacuse the
bayes filter that we used until now are tricked out by these semi
intelligent bots.

Usually we had less questions with other cms names in the past. That
should be usable for some selection Rule: If mail contains Plone with
other cms names and " vs " in subject or body.

If the mail was put into the jail, the issuer should receive a mail he
has to answer upon to make sure he is human. Only those mails should
be reviewed by moderators that result in an answer. Markus Leist used
a system like that against bots and SPAM.

The important step is to avoid that these show up in archives like
gmane, nabble etc. until checked.

my 2 cent.

Armin

Post by Matt Hamilton

Post by Chris Calloway

Post by MarinaP1979
I did not use Plone more in their projects,

Apparently this list has devolved into a comment spam farm?

Yeah, I was thinking that too? looking at the email addresses of the
last few comments. The thing that really troubles me is what have we
come to that someone is paying (I presume) for some kind of
mechanical turk to directly try and rubbish one project over
another. It's one thing someone with a few braincells saying "X is
better then Y because of Z". Very different to have some blanket bot
turfing.
-Matt

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[Chris Calloway]

Post by Armin Stroß-Radschinski
Is this only relevant on our lists or did you recognize this on other
cms lists related to Plone as well?

It's just this list.

Post by Armin Stroß-Radschinski
tricked out by these semi
intelligent bots.
Markus Leist used a
system like that against bots and SPAM.

I don't think these are from bots. I think they are from mechanical turks.

Mark, please add me to the list managers.

[PatDole]

Thank you for your reply. I will check this out. It would sure help to give
it a try. I will let you know how i go. Thanks again.



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